Atari Hard Drive Help!

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Bravo Sierra Computers

2010-01-20 17:18:04 UTC

What is the maximum capacity for SCSI-2 ST Hard Drives Running with ICD Pro,
Link Host or ADSCSI Plus and TOS v.1.2! I'm not interested in switching away
from ICD PRO Host Software! What Determines if a SCSI Hard Drive has too much
capacity? I use a Seagate Fast SCSI 2 ST11200N Hard Drives! Please Reply!
Please Answer! Please Reply Irregardless of your Answers! Thanx! =-=Ben=-=

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Dave Wade

2010-01-21 00:27:44 UTC

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Post by Bravo Sierra Computers
What is the maximum capacity for SCSI-2 ST Hard Drives Running with ICD Pro,
Link Host or ADSCSI Plus and TOS v.1.2! I'm not interested in switching away
from ICD PRO Host Software! What Determines if a SCSI Hard Drive has too much
capacity? I use a Seagate Fast SCSI 2 ST11200N Hard Drives! Please Reply!
Please Answer! Please Reply Irregardless of your Answers! Thanx! =-=Ben=-=
Atari 8 Bit and ST Games/Software, Hardware/Accessories and
Books/References!
Please Specify Atari 8 Bit, ST or Both! Or Call Ben anytime at
(503)256-9974!

Ben,

If you insist on sticking with ICD Pro then you are stuck with its
limitations. As an IT Pro I see so many tender documents which specify a
particular version of software and then ask for work arounds for its
limitations. WHY CHOOSE IT IF IT DOES NOT DO WHAT YOU WANT!
I have a pile of Seagate SCSI drives that will only format on my TT-030 with
HDDRIVER. The time its saved me has more than covered the cost of purchase.
So whilst it doesn't get round all problems it does allow me to use a load
of drives that I can't get working with any other program. Its actively
supported so if you do have a problem you can e-mail the author (unlike
hi-wire!) and get a response.

Dave

Bravo Sierra Computers

2010-01-21 12:30:08 UTC

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 00:27:44 -0000
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Atari Hard Drive Help!

Ben,
If you insist on sticking with ICD Pro then you are stuck with its
limitations.

I'm Happy with it's limitations, I just need to know which drives I can use
with the ICD Pro? What determines that? Is it capacity?

As an IT Pro I see so many tender documents which specify a
particular version of software and then ask for work arounds for its
limitations. WHY CHOOSE IT IF IT DOES NOT DO WHAT YOU WANT!

It does do what I want! I need to know which Drives I can use with it! What
parameters? Is their a maximum capacity?

I have a pile of Seagate SCSI drives that will only format on my TT-030 with
HDDRIVER. The time its saved me has more than covered the cost of purchase.

I have HDDRIVER and I will not use it! I like ICD Pro!

So whilst it doesn't get round all problems it does allow me to use a load of
drives that I can't get working with any other program. Its actively
supported so if you do have a problem you can e-mail the author (unlike
hi-wire!) and get a response.
Dave

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Jo Even Skarstein

2010-01-21 12:38:16 UTC

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Post by Bravo Sierra Computers
What is the maximum capacity for SCSI-2 ST Hard Drives Running with ICD Pro,
Link Host or ADSCSI Plus and TOS v.1.2! I'm not interested in switching away

Any SCSI-drive where parity can be disabled by a jumper. Size doesn't
matter, but there might be some limitation the SCSI-adapter. It's quite
likely that you can't access sectors beyond 1Gb with these adapters.

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Dave Wade

2010-01-21 23:53:33 UTC

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Post by Jo Even Skarstein

Post by Bravo Sierra Computers
What is the maximum capacity for SCSI-2 ST Hard Drives Running with ICD Pro,
Link Host or ADSCSI Plus and TOS v.1.2! I'm not interested in switching away

That's what I thought, but I am sure I have drives with parity disable that
don't work...

Post by Jo Even Skarstein
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2010-01-21 17:10:42 UTC

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It is not clear what adapters can access over 1GB on ICD site:
http://www.icd.com/atari/index.html#adscsiplus
You need to google little around to get proper answer.
TOS 1.02 has limits: 256MB max partition size and max 14 partitions.
So, it is 7GB, What is more than enough for all SW you can imagine...
Too much capacity ? It will not prevent any adapter to access first
1GB on drive.

So, answer is: there is no maximum capacity in fact (limits are far
beyond than current manufactured consum drives, not to mention older
ones, what are only interesting).
You may have only maximum accessible size on disks, what is usually
1GB with Atari ST ACSI/SCSI adapters.
In any case, you may try, and will see .... (if can not find what ICD
model can accessing over 1GB) .

Another option is (only if can over 1GB) to use DOS partitioning -
then may have partitions of max. 2GB. However, it is not recommended -
you need program BigDOS then, what is not compatible with all Atari
SW, and I remember that there were some problems with it on TOS 1.02 ,
while under 1.04 and 2.06 worked good.
Really don't see the point with so large partitions when SW needs not
so much space.
Only maybe recommended if want to attach same disk sometimes on PC,
for data transfer. But even then, there are some better drivers, which
have TOS/DOS compatible partitions.

PP

Galen

2010-02-07 19:37:23 UTC

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Post by Bravo Sierra Computers
What is the maximum capacity for SCSI-2 ST Hard Drives Running with ICD Pro,
Link Host or ADSCSI Plus and TOS v.1.2!

For your TOS 1.2, you have a limit of 256MB per partition, and a limit
of 14 active partitions at one time. At some point (1.4? 1.62?,
2.06?), TOS was revised to be able to handle 512 MB partitions, and
the Falcon 4.0x TOS can handle 1 GB partitions. In theory, the drive
itself can be any size; you just won't be able to access more than 3.5
GB (256MB x 14). It is possible to switch partitions so as to access
more of the drive, but it isn't practical. You might want to consider
a SatanDisk (why on earth did the guy shoot himself in the foot by
naming it that?), as SCSI drives are nowadays are not the most cost
effective approach.

Thorsten Günther

2010-02-07 19:57:56 UTC

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Post by Galen
For your TOS 1.2, you have a limit of 256MB per partition, and a limit
of 14 active partitions at one time. At some point (1.4? 1.62?,
2.06?), TOS was revised to be able to handle 512 MB partitions,

That was TOS 1.4.

Post by Galen
and
the Falcon 4.0x TOS can handle 1 GB partitions. In theory, the drive
itself can be any size; you just won't be able to access more than 3.5
GB (256MB x 14). It is possible to switch partitions so as to access
more of the drive, but it isn't practical. You might want to consider
a SatanDisk (why on earth did the guy shoot himself in the foot by
naming it that?), as SCSI drives are nowadays are not the most cost
effective approach.

The SatanDisk has been replaced by the UltraSatan, which is a much
better name :-). They are currently sold in small batches on eBay UK by
the seller "francisvonkesice" (who has a small problem now with PayPal
since he apparently reached the maximum limit for incoming payments ...
- read atari-forum.com for details).

Thorsten

Jim DeClercq

2010-02-19 20:34:42 UTC

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Bravo Sierra Computers <***@aracnet.com> writes:

: What is the maximum capacity for SCSI-2 ST Hard Drives Running with ICD Pro,
: Link Host or ADSCSI Plus and TOS v.1.2! I'm not interested in switching away
: from ICD PRO Host Software! What Determines if a SCSI Hard Drive has too much
: capacity? I use a Seagate Fast SCSI 2 ST11200N Hard Drives! Please Reply!
: Please Answer! Please Reply Irregardless of your Answers! Thanx! =-=Ben=-=

: Atari 8 Bit and ST Games/Software, Hardware/Accessories and Books/References!
: FREE Catalogs @ http://BenSells.Atari.org or http://BensCatalogs.Atari.org or
: Catalogs Requested by E-Mail at ***@aracnet.com or ***@Atari.org and
: Please Specify Atari 8 Bit, ST or Both! Or Call Ben anytime at (503)256-9974!

I have a FM to read, so RTFM. 3.5 gigs for less than 1.4, 7.0 for 1.4.
The FM is "AdSCSI ST Series". What sort of problem are you having?

Jim

Bravo Sierra Computers

2010-02-21 21:37:27 UTC

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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:34:42 +0000 (UTC)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Atari Hard Drive Help!
: What is the maximum capacity for SCSI-2 ST Hard Drives Running with ICD Pro,
: Link Host or ADSCSI Plus and TOS v.1.2! I'm not interested in switching away
: from ICD PRO Host Software! What Determines if a SCSI Hard Drive has too much
: capacity? I use a Seagate Fast SCSI 2 ST11200N Hard Drives! Please Reply!
: Please Answer! Please Reply Irregardless of your Answers! Thanx! =-=Ben=-=
: Atari 8 Bit and ST Games/Software, Hardware/Accessories and Books/References!
: Please Specify Atari 8 Bit, ST or Both! Or Call Ben anytime at (503)256-9974!
I have a FM to read, so RTFM. 3.5 gigs for less than 1.4, 7.0 for 1.4.
The FM is "AdSCSI ST Series". What sort of problem are you having?
Jim

I'm so very sorry about the Trouble Jim! I thought I had a Problem! I use the
ICD Driver and the Link 2 Host Adapter! I usually use my SeaGate 1.2 Gig
Hard Drive but I'm setting up a new Hard Drive with 4.2 Gigs of Storage!I had
problems with HD Driver, It was easier for me to use ICD Pro Driver Software
instead! ICD's Software didnt seem to work with my Larger Capacity Drive, but
I figured it out! I had to better interpret ICD's readouts! Please Reply!
Please Answer! Please Reply Irregardless of your Answers! Thanx! =-=Ben=-=

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